February 5, 2015
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How vegetarian is LESS violent than non-vegetarian food.
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My take on veg vs nonveg food is --- each one on his own. My proposals are to imprison those who slaughter cows, but for non-cows, slaughter houses will be legal. And economic laws I have proposed will reduce subsidies that nonveg food is getting and so nonveg will become more expensive that it is now, without any tax. So nonveg food consumption will decrease. Thats about it.
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But one issue that comes is that nonveg food is violence. And the nonvegitarians often make counter-argument --- that plants also have life and also vegism is also violent. This post is to refute this SPECIFIC counter-argument only.
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1. To produce 1 kg of meat, some 10 kg to 20 kg wheat equivalent grains/pulse/vegetables are needed. So 1 kg of meat will involve MORE violence than 1 kg of grain/pulse/vegetable. So even if killing plan is violent, then also killing animals is 10-20-more times MORE VIOLENT.
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2. The plants have lesser nuerons and have only name sake nervous system. (please google on nervous system in plants). The nervous system is only to guide the plant to make its limited movement towards sunlight , water etc. Experiments show that plants make attempt to move towards sunlight, move towards water, move away from toxins, but plants make no attempt to move away from grazing animals or even fruit plucking animals or insects. IOW, plants consider getting eaten as their destiny, Whereas animals make explicit attempts to move away from grazers. IOW, plants perhaps consider being eaten as their destiny.
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3. PAIN AND VIOLENCE CAUSE BY ASSOCIATION : The plants have no association, while animals have. eg when a human is killed, the OTHER humans around him feel pain. Same way, when an animal is killed, the other animals around him feel fear, pain and also miss him. When one plant is taken away from field, the other plants in field feel no pains. At least, thats what experiments show. May be , future experiments will show association between plants. But so far , there is none.
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4. Plants have no parent-child emotional relation . eg in almost all mammals , parents sacrifice for their kids, Where as in plants , when a seed falls and tries to become plant, the parent plant will actually end up killing its growth by absorbing away all sunlight, water and minerals !!! IOW, there is no known emotional bonding amongst plants. So killing one plant doesnt increase fear, pain etc in other plants. So killing plants is LESS violent than animals.
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5. DISPERSAL ---- plants cant survive without dispersal of seeds (pls google on dispersal of seeds). And for dispersal, they depend on animals. And so food the incentive plants offer to animals for dispersal. I am NOT joking or kidding. Please google on dispersal of seeds and you will see that animals play important role for plants by eating plants !!
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So in all cases , nonvegeism is more violent than vegism.
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All in all, this agruments will make zero difference. Those who eat nonveg rightly or wrongly believe that nonveg food will give them some advantages. And all these arguments will NOT convince them to make them give up their advantage.
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Many jeev-daya-vaadies believe that showing slaughter video will make any difference. IMO, they are all wasting time. It will effect only at most 5% meat eaters and then remaining 95% will become immune to slaughter videos. If slaughter video were to make difference, then animal sacrifices would have never started.
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If jeevdaya-vaadies are sincere, then they should promote law-drafts which end WRONGFUL subsidies and cross-subsidies to non-veg food. They should promote law-draft which require show-makers to mark ;labels like "made from leather of animal which died natural death and meat was NOT used for food" or opposite mark as the case may be. And they should promote law-drafts that would force milk makers to mark milk as "milk giving animal will NOT be slaughtered" or have mark "milk giving animal may be slaughtered" as may be the case. In such case, that shoe and that milk will become more expensive but this will also make meat more expensive !!! And that will reduce meat consumption.
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As a simple measure --- nonveg consumption across world and across India is rising and irisng and rising. And in India, it is rising across all communities irrespective of religions.
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So all in all , slaughter videos and arguments like "plant eating is less violent" are like water on stone. After 1000 years of water fall, the stone will lose 1% of if weight. Instead focus on law-drafts that can reduce slaughters.
The law-drafts are in Hindihttps://fb.com/groups/righttorecallparty/10152908801793103/ and in english at https://fb.com/groups/righttorecallparty/10152747542153103/ .
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Pls download them and work on these law-drafts, if you want to save cows and animals.
.
My take on veg vs nonveg food is --- each one on his own. My proposals are to imprison those who slaughter cows, but for non-cows, slaughter houses will be legal. And economic laws I have proposed will reduce subsidies that nonveg food is getting and so nonveg will become more expensive that it is now, without any tax. So nonveg food consumption will decrease. Thats about it.
.
But one issue that comes is that nonveg food is violence. And the nonvegitarians often make counter-argument --- that plants also have life and also vegism is also violent. This post is to refute this SPECIFIC counter-argument only.
.
1. To produce 1 kg of meat, some 10 kg to 20 kg wheat equivalent grains/pulse/vegetables are needed. So 1 kg of meat will involve MORE violence than 1 kg of grain/pulse/vegetable. So even if killing plan is violent, then also killing animals is 10-20-more times MORE VIOLENT.
.
2. The plants have lesser nuerons and have only name sake nervous system. (please google on nervous system in plants). The nervous system is only to guide the plant to make its limited movement towards sunlight , water etc. Experiments show that plants make attempt to move towards sunlight, move towards water, move away from toxins, but plants make no attempt to move away from grazing animals or even fruit plucking animals or insects. IOW, plants consider getting eaten as their destiny, Whereas animals make explicit attempts to move away from grazers. IOW, plants perhaps consider being eaten as their destiny.
.
3. PAIN AND VIOLENCE CAUSE BY ASSOCIATION : The plants have no association, while animals have. eg when a human is killed, the OTHER humans around him feel pain. Same way, when an animal is killed, the other animals around him feel fear, pain and also miss him. When one plant is taken away from field, the other plants in field feel no pains. At least, thats what experiments show. May be , future experiments will show association between plants. But so far , there is none.
.
4. Plants have no parent-child emotional relation . eg in almost all mammals , parents sacrifice for their kids, Where as in plants , when a seed falls and tries to become plant, the parent plant will actually end up killing its growth by absorbing away all sunlight, water and minerals !!! IOW, there is no known emotional bonding amongst plants. So killing one plant doesnt increase fear, pain etc in other plants. So killing plants is LESS violent than animals.
.
5. DISPERSAL ---- plants cant survive without dispersal of seeds (pls google on dispersal of seeds). And for dispersal, they depend on animals. And so food the incentive plants offer to animals for dispersal. I am NOT joking or kidding. Please google on dispersal of seeds and you will see that animals play important role for plants by eating plants !!
.
So in all cases , nonvegeism is more violent than vegism.
.
=======================
.
All in all, this agruments will make zero difference. Those who eat nonveg rightly or wrongly believe that nonveg food will give them some advantages. And all these arguments will NOT convince them to make them give up their advantage.
.
Many jeev-daya-vaadies believe that showing slaughter video will make any difference. IMO, they are all wasting time. It will effect only at most 5% meat eaters and then remaining 95% will become immune to slaughter videos. If slaughter video were to make difference, then animal sacrifices would have never started.
.
If jeevdaya-vaadies are sincere, then they should promote law-drafts which end WRONGFUL subsidies and cross-subsidies to non-veg food. They should promote law-draft which require show-makers to mark ;labels like "made from leather of animal which died natural death and meat was NOT used for food" or opposite mark as the case may be. And they should promote law-drafts that would force milk makers to mark milk as "milk giving animal will NOT be slaughtered" or have mark "milk giving animal may be slaughtered" as may be the case. In such case, that shoe and that milk will become more expensive but this will also make meat more expensive !!! And that will reduce meat consumption.
.
As a simple measure --- nonveg consumption across world and across India is rising and irisng and rising. And in India, it is rising across all communities irrespective of religions.
.
So all in all , slaughter videos and arguments like "plant eating is less violent" are like water on stone. After 1000 years of water fall, the stone will lose 1% of if weight. Instead focus on law-drafts that can reduce slaughters.
The law-drafts are in Hindihttps://fb.com/groups/righttorecallparty/10152908801793103/ and in english at https://fb.com/groups/righttorecallparty/10152747542153103/ .
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Pls download them and work on these law-drafts, if you want to save cows and animals.
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